I was honored to be interviewed by Brian Becker on “The Socialist Program” for BreakThrough News. We discuss the deep history of Nazism in Ukraine, as well as its contemporary manifestations and root causes. The conversation develops some of the arguments I’ve made in “Nazis in Ukraine: Seeing through the Fog of the Information War” and “The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism after WWII–It Discretely Internationalized It.”